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PBA/UMB: Caudron keeps pouring oil on the fire

Posted by on July 23, 2020

 PBA/UMB: Caudron keeps pouring oil on the fire

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UMB president Mr. Farouk Barki: ''UMB never asked PBA to drop the case, never received the information before 22nd of June

LAUSANNE/BRUSSELS - The President of the UMB, Mr. Farouk Barki, leading the world of billiards, has sent an official document to those directly involved and to the billiard press to show that his organization has acted correctly in a case brought against the UMB. The PBA, Korean billiards organization, which is not affiliated to the UMB, filed an antitrust complaint against the UMB, dated 13th September 2019 towards the European Commission for the suspensions of PBA players. The PBA now claims that it has withdrawn the case from the EU-Commission in March 2020. PBA (Professional Billiards Association) did not publicly announce this withdrawl, nor has it informed UMB about this proceding. The UMB received the official notification of the closure of the case only on 22nd of June 2020 after request of its lawyers and published the news on its website the same day.

Mr. Barki assures: ''The accusation, mainly by PBA player Frédéric Caudron, that we deliberately did not publish the statement in March, is a pertinent falsehood. I would like to prove that with the official document of the European Commission, so now everyone can see the truth.'' The misleading publications on social media have put the UMB in a bad light. Barki: ''We now want to close this matter for once and for all. Be assured that the UMB has never asked PBA to drop the case.''

Frédéric Caudron, former world champion and most known PBA player, posted comments like: ''The UMB, as usual, does not give people the right information. This can't be a simple mistake, it's just a lie. It is very strange that the European Commission already closed the case in March, but UMB only published the official announcement before the start of the PBA event at the end of June. Why did UMB wait so long? Just to get the PBA negative in the news before the start of the new season.''

The case against the suspensions imposed by the UMB on players who participated in PBA tournaments, was brought for the European Commission on 13 September 2019 by the PBA and 22 individual players, in particular the non-Korean players in PBA events. The official UMB statement, in response to unjustified allegations: ''During 10 months, the UMB, by its lawyers, submitted to EU-Commissions its response against this baseless complaint in its strongest possible terms. As a result, the complaint had been rejected and the UMB has been informed on June 22nd, 2020 by its lawyers, that the EU-Commission officially closed the file. This simply means that the complaint filed against UMB, has been rejected for further proceedings. UMB never asked PBA to drop the case, never received this information from PBA or EU-Commission.''

Mr. Barki, when asked, confirms that there is no evidence of further negotiations between UMB and PBA. ''We invited a PBA delegation to Düsseldorf Airport in the days when the Viersen World Championship should have been played. We had some other meetings, but the PBA officially informed us that they would not come to negotiate. And after that, we asked many times to take further action to find a solution. They promised several times that they would get in touch, but despite repeated requests, we never received any reply.''

The UMB president says that his organization has temporarily stopped the player suspensions on July 15 2020, because the 1-year suspension has expired. ''As soon as players participate in the next PBA event, they will be suspended again for 1 year. A few months ago, we consciously changed that period from 3 years to 1 year, because we do not want to further dupe players who want to return to the UMB.''

The UMB president concludes: ''Be convinced that the UMB is the guardian of our sport and will always defend the interests of its members, players and partners in the best possible way. We hope herewith to have informed you conveniently and definitely clarified the situation.''

Below you find the copy of the email from the European Commission that the UMB received at the request of its lawyers. ''The European Commission, as we understand, had no further grounds for legal proceedings.''

The email of the UMB lawyers on June 22, 2020 at 1.07 pm. The official mail sent by the European Commission on June 22.

 

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My Comments

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This report distorts the truth
This report avoids the important points and pays only attention to the surrounding.


UMB wrote on its official statement on 22 June;

1) the complaint submitted in September 2019, by the Professional Billiard Association (PBA), the Korean Billiard Players Association (KBPA) and twenty-two (22) individually named Billiard Players against UMB, has been dismissed and closed.

2) UMB believes that the decision taken by the European Commission has confirmed its position and direction regarding the application of its Statutes and Rules.


Even on the email Barki showed, there were no word, "dismissed" and no clause which included EC's direction and position about this case.

UMB has only distorted and adapted it to its taste.

This report only refutes single word Caudron says and refuses to look at the whole picture.

Message 1/17 - Publish at July 23, 2020 11:07 AM

Jordi_Fontdevila
Jordi_Fontdevila
24 hours or 100 Years
First things first

The Professional 3C National Structure can take a day or a century to be build, but I can assure to everybody that, for life, they will not be able to sanction or suspend me, because I will never give in, I will never register to any National 3C Organization with membership relations with CEB or UMB (unless guaranteed freedom is there) and I will joyful play at the PBA, in South Korea, and they cannot suspend me!!. (1) They can play by themselves, suspend themselves, not me. No power coming from me. No mercy.

Yeah!, Guys, the Thing.

Yeah!! The Great Case “dismissed and closed” (which would be great, too, as I said before, and a great accomplishment) by EU turned out to be WITHDRAWN by PBA, following the report. What a Pearl.

Here is the “UMB Words of Truth” confirming that a withdrawn case (not appreciated and, of course, not judged) was “dismissed and closed” and that “has confirmed its position and direction regarding the application of its Statutes and Rules”. Do you need more to understand Caudron? What a shame!!:

"UMB Official Statement

Lausanne, June 22nd, 2020, PBA Complaint against UMB - EU-Commission closed the case. Today, UMB received the official notification from the European Commission confirming that the EU-file - AT.40674 - regarding the complaint submitted in September 2019, by the Professional Billiard Association (PBA), the Korean Billiard Players Association (KBPA) and twenty-two (22) individually named Billiard Players against UMB, has been dismissed and closed. UMB believes that the decision taken by the European Commission has confirmed its position and direction regarding the application of its Statutes and Rules.”

By this, you can appreciate all the rest.

PS (1) or have me in the "good boy" list. I don't need probationary periods.

Jordi Fontdevila

Message 2/17 - Publish at July 23, 2020 6:11 PM - Edited at July 24, 2020 10:05 AM

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UMB deserves the oil, why?
Hey, what a trash reply to the issue brought?

The key issue is how the simple word 'closed'from EC was manipulated by UMB as 'dismissed and closed'.
To make it worse, Kozoom (Int'l ? Korea) went further as 'UMB won the case, PBA lost. EC supports UMB'.

Readers and fans are waiting for the answer by UMB president for the key issues.
Does UMB President want to argue with a player to pick 'who is the villain of the story' ?

Seems the boss tries to cover the key issue by picking on a player and lead the attention of billiard people to nowhere. Nice try, but it will not work in democratic countries.

The letter from UMB lawyer clearly reports "CLOSED" only and offers coffee and meal to UMB staff in his town, not in Lausanne. Maybe high legal cost for CLOSED case.

Also, is UMB sure it has never asked PBA to drop the case? Try to remember, please.
I have been trying to stay neutral but getting disgusted by such craps.

Message 3/17 - Publish at July 23, 2020 7:38 PM - Edited at July 23, 2020 7:41 PM

Jordi_Fontdevila
Jordi_Fontdevila
The Guardianship
Just to comment this statement:

''Be convinced that the UMB is the guardian of our sport and will always defend the interests of its members, players and partners, in the best possible way”.

1.''Be convinced that the UMB is the guardian of our sport and will always defend the interests of its members, players and partners (…)”

First, of all, sir, "guardian" refers to persons, people, not organizations: guardians are PERSONS who protect something.

UMB with GUARDIANS in power positions can accomplish, through persons, Guardianship, meaning that the situation do not depend on UMB, per se, but on the persons in power.

I know some guardians and the qualities they naturally have and I’m sorry to say that there are not that kind of specimens surrounding CEB or UMB: other qualified names, may be, other virtues, I don’t know, nobody knows, but NOT GUARDIANS or GUARDIANSHIP. That’s for sure.

2.“(…), in the best possible way”

Here is the Real Deal, the Problem. The “way”, the “possible” and the “best”: for that we need Guardians, a rare specimen.

Jordi Fontdevila

Message 4/17 - Publish at July 24, 2020 10:08 AM - Edited at July 24, 2020 10:15 AM

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inception
Who extinguished this fire?
After reading this UMB news, I am totally lost.

When there is a fire, police shows up and catch the suspect who put the fire first.

It seems this fire was extinguished by distorted statement officially announced (very well pointed out by ALPHA above, so I will pass adding unnecessary words).

The usual suspect denies it and points the finger to an innocent person who hinted the police who set the fire (by mistake or on purpose to harm somebody in conflict).

It would be right attitude for UMB to apologize for misleading first and correct the words in the wrong statement and ask for shaking hands to those who claimed the incorrectness. Not a shame.

Why WCBS and IOC are closing their eyes to such things committed by so-called Governing International Organization?

Survival of the sport is more important than anything else. Any comment,please?

Message 5/17 - Publish at July 24, 2020 6:16 PM

Jordi_Fontdevila
Jordi_Fontdevila
EU Commission Complaints
What the comission can and cannot do

“The Commission may decide not to open a formal infringement procedures, even if it considers that a breach of EU law has occurred. Certain cases can be dealt with by other mechanisms at EU and national level, which are more appropriate. This applies in particular to individual cases of incorrect application not raising issues of wider principle (…)”. “For instance, in 2017, the Commission closed infringement procedures and complaints in the area of gambling. The Commission did not consider it a priority to use its enforcement powers (...) (when) "Complaints (...) can be handled more efficiently by national courts than by the Commission.”

“if the Commission takes a country to the Court of Justice and wins the case, the country will have to take all actions to remedy the violations.”

“If the Commission brings the case before the Court of Justice of the European Union, it may take several years for the Court of Justice to hand down its judgment.”

“Judgments of the Court of Justice differ from those of national courts. The Court of Justice delivers a judgment stating whether there has been an infringement of European Union law.”

“The Court of Justice cannot annul a national provision which is incompatible with European Union law, nor force a national administration to respond to the request of an individual, nor order the country to pay damages to an individual adversely affected by an infringement of European Union law. To seek compensation, complainants must still take their case to a national court within the time limit set out in national law.”

Process:

"Within the following 12 months, the European Commission will assess your complaint and aim to decide whether to initiate a formal infringement procedure against the country in question." (1)

"If the issue that you raise is especially complicated, or if the European Commission needs to ask you or others for more information or details, it may take longer than 12 months to reach a decision."

(1) to be noted: against "the country" in question

Jordi Fontdevila

Message 6/17 - Publish at July 25, 2020 10:38 AM

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Closing this matter for once and for all?
When UMB published it is not important point, but how and what were written in the UMB wrong statement on 6-22 must be judged by majority of billiard people on carom earth.

The accusation should have been directed toward distorted words used in the statement written by smallest-minded person and only supported now by smaller-minded billiard journalists (they seem to think they are).
Seems as they can not find proper excuses (based on intellectual honesty), they are trying to attack a player who is brave enough to stand up against dishonesty and hide away cowardly.

'We now want to close this matter for once and for all'?
Very convenient and sounds very familiar phrase by UMB president.

This matter is still open and to be tried until the end.

I wanted to see this disgusting outbreak to be reasonably settled, but after reading childish posts in FB against brave man, I can not but have to leave my comment here.
Oh, my goodness ! I believe there is "SHAME' in Wikipedia for such guys. Find and read!

Message 7/17 - Publish at July 25, 2020 9:35 PM

Jordi_Fontdevila
Jordi_Fontdevila
Each One Of Us Carry “The Players Consciousness” Burden, An Immortal Occurrence
Power-Sharing

Let me just share with Kozoom Readers a conversation I had with a close friend: why not just let alone Mrs Diane Wild and her Deputies and Mr El Barki and his Deputies (and their Disciplinary Commissions or Committees - arranged to punish other’ infractions, not theirs, of course)?

The argument is this one: they are doing what they can, they are not bad people, on the contrary, they do what they always have learned to do and they are not able to dare to think differently, because their intellectual instruments cannot allow them to move other directions and because they have the power to show that off.

What can we say?

Yes, they could avoid hurting players (badly, sometimes). Besides, they only know the few CEB (sorry not talking about other regional confederations: take CEB as all the Regional Environment) and UMB Top Players, which they think makes everything.

Now, they only see they are hurting and punishing, in Europe, Caudron, Leppens, Jean Paul, Glenn, Yüksel, Birol, Bulut, Kasidokostas, Papakonstantinou, Schröder, Tonny, Soumagne and the Spanish Gang (you, cheeky little monkeys!). Pedro (they just don’t like San Diego, not you) and others from America, Asia, etc., are not CEB problem, just other Regional Confederation problem and an UMB cookie jar.

What is the CEB or UMB problem to have Yüksel playing at the PBA event? Is there damage to CEB? Is there damage to UMB? They just want you to not have a better life? No. Not That. They just think they own that Player because they have a file saying that he’s registered in the Turkish Federation and they do not want disturbances that could, eventually, minimize the total dominance they have. Who do Players think they are? Do they think they are free People? We own them, we have a file, and we have that ruled out at ours Statutes and Rules, made by ourselselves without Players approval and knowledge, which we don't need.

Looking at Freedom Concept? Free Market? They didn’t invent that, they don’t believe that and they have Statutes or Rules to prevent other organizations to be created, because with THAT they prevent a free space to other organizations to be born, which is contrary to National and International LAWS.

They don’t say they are preventing that (they don’t dare to, of course): they just don’t allow that with their actions, saying that "their" players (which are not theirs) are allowed only to participate in their events and with that they just strangle the others, one way (not allowing players) or the other (fees, to die of slow strangulation).

Players just register at National Level (a simple act, just to play) and a file with their names is transmitted to the Regional Federations and to the World Federations and here we are, without knowing, under suspensions. Blame the File Transfer !!!

Why not to let them alone? Because we can’t!

Why? Because each one of us carry “The Players Consciousness” burden, an immortal occurrence.

Jordi Fontdevila

Message 8/17 - Publish at July 26, 2020 3:30 PM - Edited at July 27, 2020 9:55 AM

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inception
UMB needs to answer to this !
Mr.Caudron posted his opinion today (with proves) on his Facebook against this news contents.

Before UMB closes this matter, at least UMB had better to answer it as most billiard people deserve to know the facts and judge it based on the truth.

https://www.facebook.com/CaudronFred

https://www.frederic-caudron.com/information-about-the-umb-announcement/

An old saying : You can not hide the whole sky by your own fingers.

If I do not see any further comment from UMB, I have to believe 100% what Mr.Caudron tells us.

Message 9/17 - Publish at July 27, 2020 3:36 PM

really
really
UMB and Kozoom current status ?
While UMB is not yet answering to the key question (wrong statement by both UMB 0n June 22, followed by manipulated press release by Kozoom International a week later right before the PBA Opening Tour),
I see a few postings on SNS which also distort the truth and try to bring the attention to elsewhere, very likely, with certain intention.

I do not understand why UMB is silent while an individual (not representing UMB anymore?) behaves like he is an unofficial spokesman of UMB.
Also a group of people (trapped in a small cage, and have no idea what's actually happening in the center of carom world at eastbound) still daydream they are opinion leaders (while doing nothing).

On the other hand, these things brought a few questions before I judge the situation.

1. who is the media right contractor of UMB now? Is it Kozoom France? Korea? International?

2. if Kozoon Int'l is broken into pieces, who will replace it?
I guess for Kozoom Korea, from the beginning, it's primary interest has been product importing
business. And Kozoom France opened the entrance door but ended up where they are now.

3. I can imagine the anger and frustrations among UMB, 3 Kozooms but hate to feel that those
internal struggle bring heavy cloud over sunny days, finally brought by PBA/LPBA Tour.

I am just concerned how and from which TV channel (maybe again same terrible streaming by Kozoom
server) I could watch UMB events (when it begins someday).
I was not smart to pay annual Premium Membership but hope my money is worth for some months.

I do not expect any responsible answer as usual. Intellectual dishonesty?

Message 10/17 - Publish at July 28, 2020 2:43 PM

Jordi_Fontdevila
Jordi_Fontdevila
When someone pretends, all time, to want negotiations between UMB and PBA, not wanting negotiations UMB/PBA
Why this?

Because they are under tremendous pressure: Officials and Sponsors, NOT Members, Fans or Players.

"We invited a PBA delegation to Düsseldorf Airport in the days when the Viersen World Championship should have been played. We had some other meetings, but the PBA officially informed us that they would not come to negotiate. And after that, we asked many times to take further action to find a solution. They promised several times that they would get in touch, but despite repeated requests, we never received any reply."

Look at this:

They ”invited a PBA delegation to Düsseldorf Airport” (to do what?).

They “had some other meetings” (Düsseldorf Airport purpose?).

“After that” (when, why), they ”asked many times to take further action to find a solution” (UMB knows the solution: lift Players suspensions without conditions).

“They promised several times that they would get in touch” (They did it because they could reasonably be expected to believe that a decent and right move could come from you).

“but despite repeated requests, we never received any reply” (because you didn’t lift Players Suspensions, and, obviously, you couldn’t expect any reply: no reply was possible).

Do you need more to understand Caudron? Do you need more to understand why this hoax with the EU Commission Case?

I don't think so.

Jordi Fontdevila

Message 11/17 - Publish at July 29, 2020 10:17 AM - Edited at July 29, 2020 5:10 PM

Jordi_Fontdevila
Jordi_Fontdevila
Survey Best Results
QUESTION

Do you think that Top Players could easily stop the "suspension charade" if they want that?

ANSWER

(Gold)

First, they will look to their umbilical cord marks, after to their bank accounts and then they will “keep a weather eye” on competitors. Only after this slow process they will figure out why friendship and solidarity is important and vital. Let’s hope they do not realize the truth too late.


(Silver)

Absolutely. Not exactly “Players way or the Highway”, but...

(Bronze)

They don´t want that. Ask me why they don't want that!

Jordi Fontdevila

Message 12/17 - Publish at July 30, 2020 9:16 AM - Edited at July 31, 2020 6:51 AM

Jordi_Fontdevila
Jordi_Fontdevila
Why to pretend, all time, to want negotiations between UMB and PBA, not wanting negotiations UMB/PBA – Part 2
Why such intensity?

Sure, we saw the why (tremendous pressure), but what about the “why such intensity” to try to demonstrate they are the ones looking for a solution (not saying that they know the solution and they can apply the solution by snapping their fingers)?

A lot of people are expecting that UMB can get the 2 millions/year from PBA (as reported in the beginning of the process and not rejected by the parts, as far as I know) and use that money, yearly, to raise the “World” (no more World) Cups and “World” (no more World) Championships prize moneys, even if they know that only a little part would rest for that purpose. That would be Great.

It’s reasonable to assume (negotiations are always negotiations) not 2 millions, but 1 million, 500k or 250k. OK?

The problem is that they know they will get 0 (zero) per year, for eternity.

And, after all, a Financially Viable PBA is what it is, don't we agree?

That generates a lot of intensity, don’t you think?


Jordi Fontdevila

Message 13/17 - Publish at July 31, 2020 3:07 PM

Jordi_Fontdevila
Jordi_Fontdevila
PBA Official Announcement
PBA made “an official announcement" "with explanations on current circumstance (...) regarding the published articles on June 29th/2020 by billiards related press. The published articles reflect the unilateral comprehension (by the UMB, KBF, and other related organizations) of the lawsuit filed to the European Commission on the anti-trust complaint.”

This is a must read and a capable demonstration of the real story behind this Kozoom News Article. It shouldn’t surprise anyone. Because Kozoom seems not prepared to say a thing about this, here is the address:

http://www.pbatour.org/en/media/press/detail?seq=pres2020072014531814&sc /> h_val=


Jordi Fontdevila

Message 14/17 - Publish at August 1, 2020 7:07 AM

Jordi_Fontdevila
Jordi_Fontdevila
To PBA: Reviewing Your Official Announcement, July 20, 2020
About Negotiations

Do you know what I do when I have to deal with nebulous negotiations and I have doubts (Do they want a real deal? Do they want just to buy time and to divert? Do they have a serious purpose? – for instance)?.

I meet with them but not “with an open-minded manner” and my work is to assure, previously, GOOD FAITH.

So, they have to previously apply (because they need to show/have merit), to qualify, to be able to negotiate. This applying process differs, according to the proper case.

Regarding your experience and historic relations, UMB must lift the Players Suspensions, without conditions and if they don’t do that they are not in GOOD FAITH and I wouldn’t move forward (as I stated, at UMB/PBA Negotiations: Horse to the Water, PBA Tour with six events and a final, posted by Frits BAKKER on June 4, 2020).

You’ve had your own experience “in the process of promoting Co-prosperity Agreement with the KBF (which) PBA did pursue (…) with an open-minded manner, although it has ultimately failed”, as per your words (PBA Official Announcement, on july 20, 2020).

Regarding the legal issues, I am afraid to recommend this: let Players do their work (they are a great force, but they don't know yet the power they really have), as I said before. You are a New Organization, working hard to benefit Billiards, and your FOCUS must remain where it needs to be. Look at what I said to TLAU (Denmark), I think more than a year ago:

“Hey, Tlau. Because you care, here is this: UMB Statutes Artº 22 Nrs 2 and 3 are clearly unlawful, but everybody knows that only a Court Judge can order "change that" and that would only mean "give space to the UMB red tape proceedings", because Courts would never say "now," nor "effects not effective". And everybody knows how to play this game”

and, after TLAU response (RESERVED, of course), this:

“Tlau...no one wants that (devastating days for billiards worldwide), I'm sure. I hope Carlsen could be strong enough to be patient -we all need that- to recover well and properly. Our great-grandchildren will be playing before changes ordered by a Court Judge could be executed (we will have UMB board meetings, designated “study groups” meetings, UMB meetings to approve, General Assembly take 1 to take 20 and... another study group). So, there’s no problem. I only care about players. As you do, too. What can we do? Look at the moon and see a fish.”

Jordi Fontdevila

Message 15/17 - Publish at August 1, 2020 1:11 PM - Edited at August 3, 2020 6:33 PM

Jordi_Fontdevila
Jordi_Fontdevila
THE OPEN NEEDLESS TO SAY ADVICE
PBA is not a UMB Sponsor or a UMB Official.

The Billiards WORLD Population knows that PBA EXISTS, IS TRUE AND IS OFFICIAL, so PBA HAD ALREADY THEIR RECOGNITION APPROVED and they don’t need any other so called “recognition” to prove that they officially exist as a legal organization and that they are able to realize events and to promote Billiards.

If UMB wants to "recognize" PBA, go for it, Billiards World will "recognize" the gesture.

Believe it or not, some Players connect UMB Players suspension process to the process of better UMB prize money events and it’s vital for them (and for everybody) to know ONCE FOR ALL that they will not get from PBA, NEVER, 1 single Won (KRW) or 1 single USD.

Just in case.

Jordi Fontdevila

Message 16/17 - Publish at August 4, 2020 9:14 AM - Edited at August 4, 2020 6:15 PM

Jordi_Fontdevila
Jordi_Fontdevila
Survey Best Results
Why do you think Kozoom eagerly accepted to report and to comment, in this News Article, the fake case of the “dismissed and closed” EU commission case and not the real information case, not publishing and commenting PBA July, 20, 2020 Official Announcement?

(Gold) I think you are now in Ganymede (Jupiter moon). Narrow escapes need to be questioned?

(Silver) This is a biased question.

(Bronze) Mr Carrer will not accept your next Kozoom Premium Subscription and I will cheer that up.

Jordi Fontdevila
(My comment: Thank you, guys, for being so supportive. Ganymede remark was precious…)

Message 17/17 - Publish at August 5, 2020 7:55 AM

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